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Jane
Joined: 14 Dec 2002 Posts: 79 Location: Guangdong, China
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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:14 am Post subject: Most polluted cities in China blacklisted |
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"The names of the most polluted cities in the country were released Tuesday.
China's environmental watchdog released the list for the first time as part of efforts to improve air quality across the country.
North China's Shanxi Province, well-known for its coal industry, stood out with three cities included on the black list: Linfen, Yangquan and Datong.
The others are Shizuishan in Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region, Sanmenxia in Henan Province, Jinchang in Gansu Province, Shijiazhuang in Hebei Province, Xianyang in Shaanxi Province, Zhuzhou in Hunan Province and Luoyang in Henan Province. "
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sllee

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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:50 am Post subject: |
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I don't know about the other cities. I was in Luoyang in 2002. It seems to be alright. Not as bad as in Hong Kong. I could only tell from the air pollution, of course. Soil/water pollution is something else. Some of the heavy chemical industries may be a problem. _________________ SL Lee
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Jane
Joined: 14 Dec 2002 Posts: 79 Location: Guangdong, China
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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Here in Guangzhou, things seem to have improved somewhat noticeably over the past several years. A couple of years ago, a friend claimed that he never saw blue sky in the city, not even in the white cloud mountain. I don't know how true it was. But it was true that I used to have sore throat every time I was downtown. Now, for quite some time, I no longer have this problem and the shoes seem to be not as dirty as before after a day of shopping in Beijing lu.
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sllee

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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Jane,
Do you know of the place YingbinGuan? (Guest House)? IO think that was on Jiefang Lu and Zhongshan 6 Lu, something like that. Is it still there? What has become of it? It was one of the places Nixon stayed when he first came to China. _________________ SL Lee
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syho

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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Jane wrote: | Here in Guangzhou, things seem to have improved somewhat noticeably over the past several years.
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最令我痛心的,莫於珠江橋一帶。兒時,那兒還是綠色的河水,往年一看、一嗅,當真痛心。
何紹怡 _________________ s. y. ho |
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Jane
Joined: 14 Dec 2002 Posts: 79 Location: Guangdong, China
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| syho wrote: | | Jane wrote: | Here in Guangzhou, things seem to have improved somewhat noticeably over the past several years.
Jane |
最令我痛心的,莫於珠江橋一帶。兒時,那兒還是綠色的河水,往年一看、一嗅,當真痛心。
何紹怡 |
我从未曾有机会目睹珠江的"碧波绿水", 那种书中描绘令人心醉的情景, 故无法由自身经历比较 。但当然曾不下一次听人谈起, 亦深感遗憾。
据说, 由90年代初起, 情形每况愈下;垃圾、未经净化处理的城市生活污水以及一些工业废水令河流污染得不堪目睹。但可喜的是, 自2002年起,广州市政府已经将治理珠江与美化珠江两岸作为未来几年城市建设计划中的首要任务,目标或者说口号是: 到2010年,将其改造成广州的"塞纳河";计划投资几百亿元治理。
两年来,河流污染虽然没有颇为明显的改善,但珠江两岸风景确实有较为显著的提高。高层建筑层出不穷,堤岸绿树丛林错落有致。两年前付诸启用的珠江夜游可谓令两岸风景美不胜收;令游客流连忘返,心旷神怡.
依我看来,"塞纳河"也好, 非"塞纳河"也好, 如若在不久的将来, 人们能在珠江河中游泳, 一解漫长渴暑的酷热之苦, 市民应已颇为欣喜。
娟娟
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Aolung

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:29 am Post subject: |
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In summer now exactly 15 years ago, my impression was that pollution in China was quite frigthtening and - e.g. expecting private traffic to encrease tremendously - my guess then was that this would develope from bad to worst. I think that due to a growing awareness of these fatal problems, the worst case imagined by me didn't happen.
Yes, also in summer 1989, Datong was a very polluted city. But I can say that the smell of coal was _everywhere_ in the northern part of the country, even at most beautiful regions like Wu Tai. I remember that in Taiyuan the sky was opaque grey although the sun was shining (and our Beijing friend was suffering from circulary disturbance and had to stay in his room for some time).
In Guangzhou, the sky was blue and the Pearl River very beautiful - as looked at from afar: its waters were dirty of pollution. I'm hoping that those expectations reported by Jane will come true.
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Jane
Joined: 14 Dec 2002 Posts: 79 Location: Guangdong, China
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| sllee wrote: | Jane,
Do you know of the place YingbinGuan? (Guest House)? IO think that was on Jiefang Lu and Zhongshan 6 Lu, something like that. Is it still there? What has become of it? It was one of the places Nixon stayed when he first came to China. |
Dr. Lee,
Yes, the YingbinGuan is still there, on jiefang bei lu, a few walks away from the gongyuan qian metro exit; nearby there are the famous Sun Yat-Sen Memorial Hall, Six Banyan Temple, Renmin Park and Beijing Lu. It is, at the moment, maybe not glorious, BUT prosperous as ever.
It was, yes, the place which received hundreds of state-level government officials for the city including President Nixon. Yet, with White Swan Hotel opening for business in 1983 and later Garden Hotel in 1985, its radiance has seemed to be somewhat forgotten by the people outside. Nowadays, it's mainly a hotel to accomodate visiting provincial officials and many of the Hongkong and Macau tourists.
It is now a four star hotel, and provides a range of comprehensive facility or service including restaurants, business centre, conference rooms and banquet hall, barbershop, beauty salon, massage and sauna, foot massage, shopping arcade, sports room plus anything you can practically find from a four star hotel in China.
Its presidential suite is priced at about RMB18,000 per night; and standard single room at RMB600 or so (the latter compared with RMB1,200 at White Swan Hotel).
The idea of east meeting west is well illustrated in the hotel. It has a building that has more European style of settings in the rooms, and another building that has more Chinese classical taste in its rooms.
In the hotel, things that White Swan Hotel doesn't have include a touch of more Chinese overall and a number of towering trees of over 100 years old.
It seems that the people in charge of the hotel do have a good grip on the Chinese contemporary concept of “change with times” (yu shi ju jin) considering the fact that some twenty years ago business was only meant for foreign VIP visitors. Now they have made it a place for the majority of the locals to enjoy a good dining out as well as some comfort with its other facilities. The few occasions when I was dining in the Chinese restaurant in the hotel I was amazed at its blooming business. That’s right, the Cantonese love eating out. Not to mention the morning tea (zao cha) they serve there where a family of three members only need to pay for RMB40 something to enjoy a variety of local speciality food including dim sum and for which it’s always hard to find an idle seat in the dining hall, it is indeed one of the good places in town where one can enjoy some authentic Cantonese dishes at lunch and dinner, such as the steamed fish, roasted duckling pig, soy sauce chicken etc.
Additionally, the hotel is very famous among the citizens of its car rental service. They have a number of limousines. Many Guangzhou citizens, at their wedding, rent a Lincoln Presidential Limousine from the hotel at a price of about RMB2,888 for several hours. Apparently, for the Chinese any price is worth for a loving wife or husband.
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Aolung

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Jane,
many thanks also from my side for your detailed response to Dr. Lee's query Knowing the places you're mentioning, quite a couple of pleasant memories are coming to my mind. I'm still thinking back to our stay at impressing White Swan Hotel ¥Õ¤ÑÃZÀ\À] and its beautiful pond with cascade, the jade trees and old Bonsais in the entrance hall, the night club, 'Silkroad' etc.. Bai Tian E was the best of all the 1st-class hotels we had the pleasure to stay in all parts of the country - and so vast that we lost the group of tourists I guided and couldn't find them there until next morning in the breakfast lounge (which, BTW, has a wonderful sight on the river).
Just memories!
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sllee

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, Jane, for your info.
The reason I asked is I was staying in there in 1979 on the opposite wing to where Nixon stayed (!), the right hand side of second floor. Nixon stayed on the left hand side, looking in from the main entrance.
At that time, it was a beautiful traditional Chinese style mansion that was used for the reception of the highest ranking diplomats only. The outside entrance was guarded by PLA guards. It was once the residence of Li Zongren Àî×ÚÈÊ. The reason I asked is because I hope it is not torn down to give way to highrise.
I was an invited scholar giving lectures at the Zhongshan Memorial Hall to the Institute of Botany (Chinese Academy of Sciences) and Zhongshan University. I enjoy the week in Guangzhou then. The pictures taken within the Guest House give me a beautiful memory. _________________ SL Lee
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Joined: 03 Jun 2002 Posts: 3548 Location: New Jersey, U.S.
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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Pollution is bad in many Chinese cities, and it is getting worse at a fast rate. Yet I think there is hope in the future.
Much of China's old industry is very poorly built and run. A lot of new factories are built every day, which adds to the total problem. So the problem will get worse in the near future.
If new factories are being added at the unbelievably fast pace, then the old factories may become obsolete and dismantled. Even if they are not replaced, they are statistically less important each day.
Soon the average age of Chinese factories will be newer than the U.S. factories Thus it may be possible that soon the Chinese factories will produce fewer pollutants.
Millions of new cars are on the streets and cause problems. But soon the average age of cars in China will be newer than the U.S. If strict rules are imposed by the government, then China may not be worse off. A big if, I admit.
This week's news report says that the new National Theatre in Beijing has completed its glass roof. So I looked up this photo taken a couple of months ago.
So there was one sunny day in Beijing this year.
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剑枫
Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 2 Location: 中国
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Jane wrote: | | syho wrote: | | Jane wrote: | Here in Guangzhou, things seem to have improved somewhat noticeably over the past several years.
Jane |
最令我痛心的,莫於珠江橋一帶。兒時,那兒還是綠色的河水,往年一看、一嗅,當真痛心。
何紹怡 |
我从未曾有机会目睹珠江的"碧波绿水", 那种书中描绘令人心醉的情景, 故无法由自身经历比较 。但当然曾不下一次听人谈起, 亦深感遗憾。
据说, 由90年代初起, 情形每况愈下;垃圾、未经净化处理的城市生活污水以及一些工业废水令河流污染得不堪目睹。但可喜的是, 自2002年起,广州市政府已经将治理珠江与美化珠江两岸作为未来几年城市建设计划中的首要任务,目标或者说口号是: 到2010年,将其改造成广州的"塞纳河";计划投资几百亿元治理。
两年来,河流污染虽然没有颇为明显的改善,但珠江两岸风景确实有较为显著的提高。高层建筑层出不穷,堤岸绿树丛林错落有致。两年前付诸启用的珠江夜游可谓令两岸风景美不胜收;令游客流连忘返,心旷神怡.
依我看来,"塞纳河"也好, 非"塞纳河"也好, 如若在不久的将来, 人们能在珠江河中游泳, 一解漫长渴暑的酷热之苦, 市民应已颇为欣喜。
娟娟 |
每个国家都是污染严重的地区
着是工业发展带来的代价在所难免的
你应该多看看中国漂亮的地方
现在的长江就很不错了 |
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syho

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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| 剑枫 wrote: | 每个国家都是污染严重的地区
着是工业发展带来的代价在所难免的
你应该多看看中国漂亮的地方
现在的长江就很不错了 |
你好,
發展帶來污染在所難免,這個我同意。但市民是有責任盡量減少污染,這不單是
政府的責任。在歐州不少大城市,這個就做得比較好。
珠江河一帶的排水系統皆有約百年的歷史,那排水的設計實在沒考慮到家居會排
放大量化學品到河中,如洗潔精之類,更沒考慮兩岸人口的劇增,加上珠江河水
流緩慢。如娟娟說,重建後會有改善,至少排污系統就得到重建。但市民也該為
污染負點責任。
何紹怡 _________________ s. y. ho |
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