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bobob



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:09 pm    Post subject: Question about Chinese Scrolls Reply with quote

Hello-

I have a Chinese scroll which you can see at

http://www.rdrop.com/users/green/plantit/SCROLL.jpg

I think this painting is by Baden Shanren. My questions are:

1. When was this scroll made? It looks old, but is it?
2. Who made it. I don't think Baden made it himself, did he?
3. Are there many scrolls just like this (mass produced)?
4. This scroll has one stamp, but some scrolls have many stamps. Who made these stamps and when? Were these stamps just added to make the scroll look 'official'?
5. How should I take care of this scroll?
6. Is this scroll valuable?

Thank you helping me with this information. I really like these Chinese scrolls and want to learn about them. There is not much information in the US.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bada Shenren is a famous painter. Spend a little time to read
up about him. See examples in this web site.

http://www.chinapage.com/painting/badashenren/badashenren.html

There are millions of hand-painted Bada Shenren for sale for $75
and up. Just check out Ebay.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say it is more a fake than genuine painting by Badashanren, too bad to disappoint you.

The painting looks very crafty unlike the casual style of Bada. The signature is not his. There are a lot of fake paintings by the famous painters like him.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siu-Leung wrote:
The painting looks very crafty unlike the casual style of Bada...


yes, this is exactly my impression also. Visiting the Japanese Ebay sellers' catalogues (as I have been doing a couple years ago, myself), will show you sometimes even better pieces and their usual price ranges.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The following are samples of Bada's signature:






You can read more:

http://www.cqcn.com/blog/archives/20070225_toward_a_study_of_bdsrs_signature.html

Use this author's comments as a reference and do your own analysis.

Just another side line. Someone has made a set of fonts using Bada's calligraphy.
http://shareware.skycn.com/sort/sort1410_default_1.htm

1. Not all good painters are good calligraphers.
2. Not all famous people are good calligraphers.
3. Good calligraphy may not be good fonts.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What would an original of Bada's sell for? Even at 75 bucks that's still pretty expensive for a fake isn't it?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:05 pm    Post subject: Bada Shanren Reply with quote

Dear Dr. Lee,

Thank you very much for the link to the excellent article on Bada Shanren's signature! It is very much appreciated.

Paul deYciar
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info, I appreciate it.







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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like your scroll, I haven't seen any like this before. It may possibly have some value but it really does depend on the authenticity of the piece.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al3ce wrote:
I like your scroll, I haven't seen any like this before. It may possibly have some value but it really does depend on the authenticity of the piece.

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There are many available like this, Bada is a well-known. I don't know if this is genuine or not though.
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